Episode 128: Cast Off
Marrying in haste is easy, but divorces can be oh so much trickier. Two complicated marriages finally dissolve in the courtroom.
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October 1933, Mae Murray is on her third attempt to divorce Prince David Mdivani. Amidst their divorce proceedings, she has several other cases related to an unpaid debt and a personal injury claim. Meanwhile Hope Diamond owner Evalyn Walsh McLean requests an insanity hearing for her wayward spouse Edward “Ned” McLean. In other news, more details on potential Lindbergh baby kidnapping suspects pop up.
Other people and subjects include:
Koran Mdivani, Mary McCormick, Prince Serge Mdivani, Pola Negri, Valentino, Joan Crawford, Clark Gable, Samuel Insull, Gaston Means, Cartier, Elizabeth “Betsy” Stack, Robert Stack, Charles Lindbergh, Anne Morrow Lindbergh, John “Jafsie” Condon, Cemetery John, Rose Douras Davies, Marion Davies, William Randolph Hearst, Dr. Ross Chapman, Dr. Arthur Patrell, Edgar Allen Poe, Reverend Francis Hurney, John Gorch, Otto Hawk – Arthur Young, bridal party, loans, usury, lunacy petition, mental cruelty, controlling behaviors, erratic jealousy, alimony, community property, child support, child custody, trust, financial settlement, freedom, personal injury, leg insurance, extradited, pottery fraud, real estate embezzlement, ransom money, wrestler, racketeer, ex-convict, detective, Hope Diamond curse, morphine addiction, prostitutes, aging actress, flailing career, 1925 Merry Widow, Washington Post headquarters, Pacific Shore Oil Company, Hill, Morgan & Bledsoe, Bricklayers’, Masons’ and Plasters’ International Union, Metropolitan National Bank, Shepard and Enoch Pratt Hospital, L.A. Superior Court, Brooklyn Fox Theatre, Playa del Rey, Los Angeles, Boston, New York, Athens, Greece, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Maryland, Hopewell, NJ, Youngstown, Ohio, Texas, Florida, Colorado, Scotland, Paris, Mexico, Latvia, Zelda Fitzgerald, spending sprees, alcoholism, women, dance classes, elope, European honeymoon, trained seal, trained bear, May Dixon Thacker, Teapot Dome Scandal, Elk Hills, naval oil leases, oil tycoons, President Warren Harding, U.S. Secretary of Interior Albert Fall, U.S. Attorney Harry Daugherty, Harry Sinclair, Edward Doheny, Strange Death of President Harding, Liberty Magazine, falsities, inaccuracies, retraction, revenge, Lochinvar, Walter Scott, poem, knight, Helen, laggard, Mdivani-Hutton jade necklace, Duke of Windsor brooch, Victoria & Albert South Kensington, Cartier exhibit, connections, synchronicity, frequency illusion, Baader-Meinhof, coinciding lawsuits, Unsolved Mysteries, America’s Most Wanted, History Channel, documentaries, new Mdivani book & Instagram account, scandal, overlaps, large fortunes, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez,…
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Extra Notes / Call to Action:
Cartier Exhibit at Victoria & Albert South Kensington, London May 27th – November 16th, 2025
https://www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/cartier
Searching for the Mikinaak is available via Tubi, Amazon, and YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x-9C9EWur4
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Publish Date: May 31, 2025
Length: 27:38
Opening Music: My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands
Section 1 Music: Lullaby by Coleman Hawkins, Album Nightfall – Sophisticated Jazz Classics
Section 2 Music: Just A Mood by Benny Carter & His Orchestra, Album Nightfall – Sophisticated Jazz Classics
Section 3 Music: These Foolish Things by Benny Carter, Album Perfect Blues
End Music: My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands
AS THE MONEY BURNS
Podcast by Nicki Woodard
Episode 128 – Cast Off
Outline
Divorce settlement
Mental illness
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[Music – My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands]
AS THE MONEY BURNS is an original podcast by Nicki Woodard. Based on historical research, this is a deep exploration into what happened to a set of actual heirs and heiresses to some of America’s most famous fortunes when the Great Depression hits.
Each episode has three primary sections. Section 1 is a narrative story. Section 2 goes deeper into the historical facts. Section 3 focuses on contemporary, emotional, and personal connections.
00:31
Story Recap
While Jakey Astor tries to choose among a new set of debutantes, two Mdivani marriages are imploding implode.
Now back to AS THE MONEY BURNS
Title
00:45
Cast Off
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Episode Tag
Marrying in haste is easy, but divorces can be oh so much trickier. Two complicated marriages finally dissolve in the courtroom.
01:02
[Music – Lullaby by Coleman Hawkins, Album Nightfall – Sophisticated Jazz Classics]
Section 1 – Story
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01:22
Love can be oh so grand until it isn’t. Then it can fall apart oh so horribly wrong. Nothing can ever be so straight forward, especially in matters of the heart and even more so when it comes divorce.
Previously both opera singer Mary McCormic and actress-singer-dancer Mae Murray have filed for divorce from their husbands – the infamous royal brothers Russians (via the Georgian province) Prince Serge Mdivani and Prince David Mdivani.
Serge and Mary are having a very public divorce with each hurling insults at each other. He calls her a gold digger, and she calls him a gigolo. Meanwhile as they make their claims they call in for proof from both David and Mae.
Amidst the very public antics of Serge and Mary, Mae and David are on their third attempt to get a divorce.
Only both Mdivani couples’ divorces are not the only cases making the news.
02:17
In addition, several lawsuits are in action over the Pacific Shore Oil Company, which the brothers run and is rumored to be making a profit, but not nearly enough for all that is happening. Both Mae, Mary, and other creditors are suing for money.
Furthermore, Mae finds herself in another lawsuit due to unpaid debts. Along with back then future and now former sister-in-law Pola Negri and Valentino, the Mdivani-Murray wedding had a few notable attendees. Alas one former bridal party member Elizabeth “Betsy” Stack loans Mae $49k (date undetermined so roughly $919k to possibly $1 million in 2025). This loan is to assist during a low financial period and whereby one particular property was used as collateral. Only Mae never paid Betsy back, and now Betsy is suing to recoup her money and is trying to prevent a divorce settlement where Mae might forfeit the property to David. Later, Mae sues Betsy to clear the title and accuses Betsy of usury, claiming Betsy charged 20 or 30% interest (depending on the source) while the legal rate was 12%. The ladies’ friendship effectively ends.
As the divorces get nastier, freedom is just on the horizon, or is it? Could this time finally be the charm? And for whom?
It seems the Mdivanis are not the only ones in court.
03:43
Thursday, October 4th, 1933
In Maryland’s Baltimore court, a lunacy petition is filed against former Washington Post owner and sportsman Edward McLean. The wayward husband of Hope Diamond owner Evalyn Walsh McLean had previously made several attempts to divorce her abroad in Mexico and later Latvia. Evalyn successfully blocked the Mexican attempt by filing in time to preserve their divorce proceeding in America. Edward gained a divorce in 1932 via Latvia. However, the US courts still consider them legally bound. Between the two international attempts, Edward claimed he had married his mistress Rose Douras, the sister of rival William Randolph Hearst’s longtime mistress Marion Davies.
04:31
This summer the Washington Post ownership was sold in a bankruptcy auction due to mismanagement and lack of funds. Evalyn attempted to save the newspaper for their children but was outbid by another rival.
Now in court, Evalyn along with 2 physicians Dr. Ross Chapman and Dr. Arthur Patrell claim Edward “is of unsound mind, incapable of governing himself.”
It is revealed that as of September 18th, 1933, Edward has been at the Shephard and Enoch Pratt Hospital. His remaining estate is estimated at $100k (about $2.48 million in 2025). Long ago upon their marriage, Edward and Evalyn had once been considered worth $200 million (that would $6.9 billion in 2025). The court is requested to assign an independent guardian and overseer of McLean and his remaining estate. Evalyn’s lawyer for this petition is named Edgar Allan Poe.
05:25
Meanwhile over in Los Angeles, Prince David Mdivani submits to the LA Superior Court the notice that he will be representing himself. Formerly he was represented by the legal firm of Hill, Morgan & Bledsoe. Mae Murray is requesting a divorce under the grounds of mental cruelty. She too outs several stories claiming controlling behaviors, erratic jealousy, and physical abuse by David, much like those presented in his brother Serge’s divorce.
05:53
Tuesday, October 24th, 1933
Unrelated and somewhat related to Serge and Mary’s divorce, another court hearing occurs in Athens, Greece. There the supposed other man in Serge & Mary’s divorce, former energy magnate silver fox Sam Insull appears in a court room to say he is out of money and has to count drachmae to get postage stamps. The Greek court is trying to determine if Insull should be *extradited back to United States for his embezzlement case.
06:25
In Los Angeles, a surprise break finally resolves one matter. Only a day prior, Mae and David meet privately and agree to a settlement. Wasting no time, Mae promptly goes to court and files a document signed by David to settle community property and whereby Mae gives up any claim to alimony, despite publicly saying she believes it would be due to her. She will only receive a $5k trust fund (nearly $123k in 2025) for their 6 yr old son Koran Mdivani. Mae considers getting her freedom more important than any additional financial settlement. If only Serge and Mary would settle so amicably.
07:05
Mae rushes to finalize this divorce. She previously filed in August 1931 only to withdraw within less than a week. The second she filed this June 10th, 1933. Now on her third and final attempt, the motion is granted. David does not appear in court as the judge signs the decree. Mae sighs a breath of relief having cast off her troublesome husband.
When later asked if she will ever get married again having this been her fourth, Mae optimistically indicates her heart will love again. However she has other more pressing matters to attend for the moment.
Upon her 1926 marriage to David, the former actress had an estimated worth of $3 million (a little over $54 million in 2025). However, her career dwindled over the years as she took on less work due to David’s demands as well as investing in his oil company. Supposedly that oil company might be worth more, but recent disputes call that into question.
08:06
Mae faces several other troubles. As a singer and dancer, her legs were once insured for $250k but now dropped to $7500 (in 2025 that would be from $4.6 million down to $185k). The reason? Five years earlier, Mae performed at the Brooklyn Fox Theatre and during a dance sequence steps on a rut and catches her heel which causes a permanent leg injury. In 1932, she sues, and the jury awards her $30k in compensation (in other words $702.5k in 2025). When the theatre appeals, the award is dropped to $7500 with an additional $177.70 for filing costs (or today a $185k award with $4,385 for fees).
How both the divorce and injury settlements impact the dispute with Betsy Stack will unravel soon enough as Mae struggles to rebuild with what little remains of her career.
09:04
Adjoining the news items related to the McLean and Mdivani situations, another famous couple Charles Lindbergh and his wife Anne Morrow Lindbergh are constantly reported on their whereabouts, now seen in Scotland on their way to Paris. Though the famous obsession has more to do with the morbid fascination with their tragedy.
Despite all efforts, the most infamous kidnapping case remains unsolved. The culprit in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping has not been found. Still newspapers and the public glom on to any new detail that might lead to solving the mystery. This determined effort gets a bit frenzied as several potential leads emerge as the special bills used in the ransom exchange by John “Jafsie” Condon with Cemetery John have entered into circulation, and thus with that a witch hunt of sorts.
9:55
Now another suspect hits the papers. A 37 yr old wrestler as well as a racketeer and ex-convict John Gorch is being held on $10k bail ($246.8k in 2025) in Boston and New York after his apartment was searched and several bills are found. Gorch used to live in Hopewell, N.J., as well as a New York neighborhood where another bill had surfaced. Gorch has been a suspect for at least 9 months, but Condon claims the actual ransomer was slimmer and more muscular.
Only a month earlier on September 27th, 1933, another related recovery participant Reverend Francis Hurney dies at age 47. The Reverend was to aid as an intermediary to interact with kidnappers in the recovery attempt of the baby by Evalyn Walsh McLean and Gaston Means.
10:47
Monday, October 30th, 1933
In Youngstown, Ohio, another Lindbergh suspect Otto Hawk is in trouble once again. Previously, Hawk had fallen under suspicion by Baltimore neighbors who thought Hawk’s own infant resembled too closely the Lindbergh baby. While Hawk is cleared from the Lindbergh kidnapping, he however is soon recognized in a separate investigation into another scam under the name Arthur Young in relation to some fraudulent pottery from Mexico and sent to Texas for that charge. Now in 1933, Hawk is arrested and returns to Ohio for a 10 year old case where Hawk swindled $120k (today $2.25 mil) from residents in a real estate embezzlement scam.
11:32
Back in Baltimore, Maryland, after several psychiatrists give their testimony in a mental competency hearing, 20 jurors sign the proclamation declaring Edward McLean officially insane. From his remaining estate of $5 million and $50k in property, a trust has been setup with a weekly income of $666 (that would be the 2025 equivalent of $123 million estate, $1.23 million in property, and $16.4k in weekly income). The petition is not contested by Edward’s lawyers. With the insanity plea, the McLean divorce is indefinitely halted.
Evalyn was not present in court today.
12:13
The following day Tuesday, October 31st, 1933, Lindbergh is seen wearing a cap in Paris, and at their hotel a 100 fan letters arrive every day.
After her divorce, Mae with custody of Koran continues to struggle. No longer able to make further payments on their pink castle, their Playa del Rey home, Mae and Koran will soon begin a rather long period of constant movement as Mae tries to rebuild her flailing career. To be honest, it is not flailing. It is gone. Her star faded without her realizing it. An actress now in her mid to late 40s and without an updated view of potential and appropriate roles, Mae seems unaware that her former supporting actors from her most successful film 1925’s Merry Widow then unnamed Joan Crawford and Clark Gable are now the big stars. Mae will forever be lost and adrift.
13:10
Meanwhile on November 21st, 1933, Evalyn will take another $300k loan ($7.24 mil in 2025) from the Bricklayers’, Masons’ and Plasterers’ International Union. For collateral, she offers a very prominent business block in Washington, D.C. Part of this loan is used to pay off her remaining balance due to the Metropolitan National Bank in relation to her loan for the Lindbergh ransom money that was swindled by Gaston.
Cursed, unlucky in love, and pending financial ruin can all happen whether there is a fortune or not. Does it really matter which one comes first or last especially when everything falls apart somewhat simultaneously?
14:00
[Music – Just A Mood by Benny Carter & His Orchestra, Album Nightfall – Sophisticated Jazz Classics]
Section 2 – History & Historiography
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14:17
Didn’t I warn you that our story is very, very entangled? Yes, I take great pains making sure to keep in mind everything that is happening concurrently especially if it hints at the past or even better future events.
I mean would you have ever thought the Hope Diamond, the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, and the illustrious Marrying Mdivanis might be linked though somewhat circuitously. But they are, and this won’t be the last revelation. I uncovered even more while tracking down the details for this episode. Like while at the asylum, Edward McLean is said to have danced the hokey pokey with fellow inmate Zelda Fitzgerald, though I don’t know when that might have occurred.
15:03
Grrr, now part of my journey this tale was merely to suss out what form of mental illness might be in question. For the time being, no such luck on my part. So far, the sources do not fully disclose Edward McLean’s illness or any symptoms of problematic behaviors, other than spending sprees, alcoholism, and women. Some reports then and later allude to his troubles as part of the Hope Diamond curse, especially in relation to this particular family. Though one article points out that Edward was always a bit problematic, and that he himself may have been more of a curse than the Hope Diamond ever was.
15:41
The more socially prominent Edward McLean (also nicknamed Ned) first meets Evalyn Walsh shortly after her father actually struck gold and her family relocated to Washington, D.C. The youngsters meet in dance class when he is 8 and she 11. Edward proposes to her multiple times, and she initially refuses due to his heavy drinking. In 1908, Evalyn finally says yes, and they elope in Colorado. His parents then give them $200,000 (eh-hem that’s $6.9 million today) for a European honeymoon, despite which the young couple are broke by the end and cannot pay their hotel bill in Paris.
16:22
The couple first see the Hope Diamond in 1910 Paris and later will purchase it in 1911 at the Washington Post headquarters for according to various accounts for the amount of $154k or $180k and possibly $300k (that ranges as $5.2 mil or $6 mil or possibly $10 mil for 2025). Cartier even then warned about the curse, more likely as a sales tactic. Edward soon loses his mother then Evalyn’s father will die a year later, and Evalyn herself will lapse into a morphine addiction in her grief.
At 22, Edward takes over the Washington Post and changes multiple aspects of the paper into a more reactionary style of reporting and juvenile in nature. Edward had several odd pets – a trained seal which he gave daily a 1/5 of whiskey and once brought a trained bear to a Florida brothel, where two women are mauled.
17:18
The couple have two homes, one of which they loan to U.S. Attorney General Harry Daugherty. Nicknamed the Love Nest, one night Edward brings over some prostitutes, a fight breaks out, and a female dies after being struck in the head by a bottle. Evalyn had hoped President Harding would be a good influence on Edward, instead Edward was part of the corruption.
Edward will be implicated in the Teapot Dome Scandal after Edward falsely claims he loaned money to the Interior Secretary Albert Fall in an effort to cover the bribes the latter is accused of taking for naval leases from Harry Sinclair for the Teapot Dome oil fields in Wyoming and from Edward Doheny for the Elk Hills reserves in California circa 1921-1922-ish era. Edward was however broke and unable to be so helpful. The subsequent court cases will involve Fall as well as oil tycoons Edward Doheny and Harry Sinclair along with Daugherty. The situation also involves none other than Gaston Means – the man who swindled Evalyn out of a $100k to recover the Lindbergh baby. According to Evalyn, the maverick detective Gaston was targeting Daugherty after they had a separate falling out.
18:25
Later in 1930 Gaston with a female writer May Dixon Thacker publish a book “The Strange Death of President Harding” based on Gaston’s investigative work. Only a year after publication in 1931, Thacker realizes the book is riddled with falsities and inaccuracies and publishes a retraction in Liberty Magazine – the same magazine that featured a series on Mary McCormick during her divorce from Prince Serge Mdivani. It is through Thacker that Evalyn found herself in contact with Gaston in March 1932 for the Lindbergh baby. Gaston’s fraud with Evalyn was motivated by revenge for some earlier unpaid services after the two had a dispute.
Gaston is still serving time for that fraud at this point in our story. There are more tragedies in the McLean family to be reserved for future revelations later in our timeline.
19:19
In a non sequitur note, there are a few references to Prince David Mdivani described as a Lochinvar character by press and Mae herself. Lochinvar is a character in a poem by Walter Scott where a knight Lochinvar returns to find his love Helen about to marry another man who is considered a laggard, or an undesirable partner. Lochinvar woos the bride away from the bad marriage on her wedding day, carrying her off on his horse like a runaway bride, and they go off into the unknown. A Lochinvar character is considered to inspire love, swooning, and clinginess.
19:56
As we cover many, many interconnected stories within this series, one recurring thread involves a history of jewels with the Hope Diamond definitely taking a top spot. I hope you enjoy this update related to another.
20:10
A collection of magnificent jewels including the Mdivani-Hutton jade necklace and a Duke of Windsor brooch are on display as part of the special Cartier exhibit at the Victoria & Albert South Kensington in London from May 27th to November 16th, 2025. This exhibit will include a special entrance fee and recommends advance booking. Along with this exhibit, there are accompanying online classes and a virtual zoom live tour for the latter on June 5th, 2025. Links in the notes and transcript.
https://www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/cartier
History is more than just a singular event. The past has a strange way of lingering in the present and echoing into the future. Stay tuned for what will be revealed as our series progresses.
21:02
[Music – These Foolish Things by Benny Carter, Album Perfect Blues]
Section 3 – Contemporary & Personal Relevance
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21:21
As I have previously mentioned, every episode presents new names or revives old ones with connections back into our story. I spend considerable time tracking down any new names to flesh and better detail the story. Sometimes, I stumble across information that must be delayed due to other future story relations. Other times, it is safe to mention right away. Then there are somethings too fun or synchronistic to turn away even if it just feels rather random or kismet or what is that other term for when once aware of a thing you then see it everywhere and then you realize it might have been there all along? Frequency illusion or Baader-Meinhof might be the terms – you can help decide.
22:07
As I scour and collect the various related stories, I run across several coinciding lawsuits for Mae Murray. Not quite sure how to tie them altogether, I will sort out once I figure out the concurring Edward McLean insanity case.
I have mentioned I recently discovered a newly published book on the Mdivanis, which I am in the process of reviewing. I need to reassess future story plots and sort out some conflicting facts. However an Instagram attached to the book has a wonderful collection of photos, and it just so happened to feature a quote by American actor Robert Stack. The quote actually comes from an older source already within my research.
“To a boy growing up in Paris, the Mdivanis were the most exciting people imaginable, and they treated me like an adopted son.” – Robert Stack
Okay, noted but I must move on and focus on this episode’s story.
23:02
Now as I retie the story back together, I flesh out details and try to assess what to reveal in both Evalyn and Mae’s timeline. I uncover a few more details. Oooh goodie, there are plenty of new revelations that must be saved for this series finale, but lo and behold what is this… as I run back across the Mae Murray lawsuit to get the details I see the name Elizabeth “Betsy” Stack. Umm, I look her up. And yes, she is Robert Stack’s mother.
I dig more, and Robert Stack must be referring to Prince Serge Mdivani and Pola Negri in Paris. But obviously, he has connection to Prince David Mdivani and Mae Murray as well.
For those who might be unaware, Robert Stack is best known as the host and narrator of the long running American documentary tv series Unsolved Mysteries. I can still remember watching the very first episode, and the series did help solve actual cases much like America’s Most Wanted. What a coincidence this tidbit appears in an episode relaying and reconnecting tales of the Mdivanis, the Hope Diamond, and the Lindbergh kidnapping.
24:15
As it so happens, several producers, writers, and directors from Unsolved Mysteries would also work with me during my time working on documentaries for the History Channel, so that gives me a whole other layer of nostalgia.
A completely random, funny, and for me a delightful coincidence. It always feels good and more personal in what can seem like a rather solitary venture into these pasts unknown and forgotten.
24:43
Lastly, I can’t resist and need to point out that naturally many people want to discuss fortunes with me due to the subject of this podcast especially whether there is ever a point where one’s fortune might be too large to squander. I always quip – no, it is absolutely always possible to lose any fortune of any size. Sorry Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, it’s more than possible. And we the public might not know until many years after the tipping point when things go bad.
25:14
With that in mind and the direct / indirect link to the current Washington Post owner, Amazon’s Jeff Bezos has been making more headlines recently in relation to his girlfriend, fiancé, and soon to be future 2nd wife Lauren Sanchez. Would it be possible to foretell any signs of future trouble? Come visit any of the social media for As The Money Burns and give me your opinion and speculation.
25:41
We will always have an interest in stories about betrayal, which seems to be in endless supply. While it is nice to fall in love, there are plenty more ways to fall out of love, and sometimes a large fortune seems an even bigger curse to love.
Our heirs and heiresses have more heartbreak to come.
26:02
From time to time, I hear from listeners, and I love when they reveal new elements in the story or how things relate to their own lives. With that I want to mention, one’s documentary series Searching for the Mikinaak starring Pete L’Allier, Troy Hicks, and Dane Bogaard. In Minnesota, friends and locals try to track down a massive unknown creature. Meanwhile a rivalry forms over starkly opposed agendas between who wants to kill and who wants to save it. 6 episodes 20 – 30 min each.
Searching for the Mikinaak is available via Tubi and YouTube (links in the notes and transcript)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x-9C9EWur4
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Hook
26:50
[Music – My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands]
Next when we return to AS THE MONEY BURNS…
The freedom of travel and adventure is cut short when one heiress is spotted, and too much attention could threaten her safety.
Until then…
Credits
27:08
AS THE MONEY BURNS is an original podcast written, produced, and voiced by Nicki Woodard, based on historical research. Archival music has been provided by Past Perfect Vintage Music, check out their website at www.pastperfect.com.
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27:38
THE END.