Episode 138: Kiss the Bride, Part 2 of 2
Wedding bells are ringing for trip down the aisle number three. Only there is not an actual aisle, and not everyone is full of glee. Part 2 of 2
#Titanic, #Titaniclovestory, #Titanicwidow, #Titanicbaby, #MadeleineAstor, #Astor, #EnzoFiermonte, #scandal, #CarolynBessetteKennedy
November 1933, despite her broken arm Madeleine Astor marries Enzo Fiermonte from her hospital bed. More press scandal follows them on their way to honeymoon in Palm Beach.
Other people and subjects include:
Madaleine Talmage Force Astor Dick Fiermonte, Colonel John Jacob Astor IV aka “Jack,” John Jacob Astor VI aka “Jakey,” Enzo Fiermonte, William Vincent Astor, Alice Ava Muriel Astor Obolensky von Hofmannsthal, Prince Serge Obolensky, Princess Barbara Hutton Mdivani, Prince Alexis Mdvani, Prince David – Prince of Wales – future King Edward VIII – Duke of Windsor, Mrs. Katherine Talmage Force, William Force, William Dick, William Dick Jr., John Henry Dick, Philip Lyndon Dodge, Charles Lindbergh, Anne Morrow Lindbergh, Vanderbilt reference, Margaret Brown – Unsinkable Molly Brown – Maggie Brown – Mrs. James J. Brown – Mrs. J.J. Brown, Catherine Ellen Brown aka “Helen,” Caroline Astor, William Waldorf Astor, Viscount Waldorf Astor, Nancy Astor, Eileen Gillespie, Lawrence Gillespie, Irene Sherman Gillespie, Brooke Hart kidnappers, Dr. Moullowd, Dr. Watson, Madeleine’s lawyer, gray haired female friend, City Court Official, Philip Hines, Municipal City Justice Vincent Lippe, photographers, reporters, private physician, dead millionaire, Maryland lynch mob, widowhood, wedding, hospital room, allowance, newspaper clipping service, Italian wedding, wedding kiss, flowers, champagne buffet, deluxe accommodations, Car National private car service, private railcar, the Titanic, Vulcania, Berengaria, Aquitania, the Olympic, Doctor’s Hospital, Pennsylvania Train Station, Breakers Hotel fire, Waldorf Astoria Hotel, Manhattan, Long Island, Palm Beach, Bermuda, Lido, Italy, Nevada, tracking down articles, True Story Magazine – “Kept Husband” 6 articles series by Enzo Fiermonte, Dionne quintuplets, finding physical copies, New Yorker, Vogue, GQ, Newport Historical Society, Newport Library, Bowling Green University, University of Texas, University of Chicago, UCLA, collectible comic store, Ebay, Shadow of the Titanic by Andrew Wilson, YouTube channel Ti’s Hot Mess History, wish for AI – Artificial Intelligence assistance with footnotes and bibliography, Hays Code, Pre-code Hollywood, 1920s & 1930s social rules and sexual references, Thirteen Women (1932), Myrna Loy, Peg Entwistle, Hollywood sign, The Women (1939), Norma Shearer, Joan Crawford, Kept Husbands (1931), The Dancing Lady (1933), Clark Gable, Franchot Tone, Algonquin Table humorist Robert Benchley, Fred Astaire, Ted Healey and his Stooges – Larry Fine, Jerome “Curly” Howard, Moe Howard, blackmail, drug use, affairs, stealing husband, racial bullying, first screen credits, heirs & heiress romances, FX Hulu Love Story tv series, Caroline Bessette Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, Jr. – JFK Jr – John John, Micheal Bergin, Daryl Hannah, Markie Mark – Mark Wahlberg, Calvin Klein underwear model, tell all book, biographies, The Other Man by Michael Bergin, $3k on Ebay, reprints, C. David Heymann, Poor Little Rich Girl re: Barbara Hutton, American Legacy re: Carolyn Bessette & JFK Jr., plagiarism & fabrication allegations, Ask Not by Maureen Callahan, actor Eric Braeden from Young and the Restless and James Cameron’s Titanic,…
Archival Music provided by Past Perfect Vintage Music, www.pastperfect.com.
Extra Notes / Call to Action:
7th Anniversary of As The Money Burns podcast last month (April 2026)
The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
https://www.youtube.com/@TheNerveShow
Ask Not by Maureen Callahan 2024
https://www.amazon.com/Ask-Not-Kennedys-Women-Destroyed/dp/0316276170
The Other Man by Michael Bergin will be re-released around June 2026 in print and is immediately available via Kindle.
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-other-man-michael-bergin?variant=45086513659938
https://www.amazon.com/Other-Man-EPB-Kennedy-Bessette-ebook/dp/B0GTF27XM8
I walked Out of the Titanic Audition… Eric Braeden | Still Here Hollywood Podcast with Steve Kmetko
6 min clip on Titanic role
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1sV0Zib7E
whole interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNfyWIf_WKE
Ti’s Hot Mess History, YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/@TisHotMessHistory
Riches to Ruin – Titanic Widow of John Jacob Astor & Her Troubled 3rd Marriage by Ti’s Hot Mess History July 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODY-qiEn3ak
The Scandalous True Story of Titanic’s Wealthiest Passenger – JJ Astor & His Teen Wife by Ti’s Hot Mess History May 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF89xKNWbow&t=25s
The Rich Boy Nobody Wanted: Titanic Baby John Jacob Astor VI by Ti’s Hot Mess History December 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlV8oT6lxs
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Publish Date: May 29, 2026
Length: 31:48
Opening Music: My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands
Section 1 Music: Let’s Fall In Love For The Last Time by Mantovani, Albums The Great British Dance Bands & Tea Dance 2
Section 2 Music: There Isn’t Any Limit To My Love by Ambrose, Album It’s Got To Be Love
Section 3 Music: In the Mood for Love by Freddy Gardner, Album Elegance
End Music: My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands
AS THE MONEY BURNS
Podcast by Nicki Woodard
Episode 138 – Kiss the Bride, Part 2 of 2
Outline
Third Marriage
Boxer
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[Music – My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands]
AS THE MONEY BURNS is an original podcast by Nicki Woodard. Based on historical research, this is a deep exploration into what happened to a set of actual heirs and heiresses to some of America’s most famous fortunes when the Great Depression hits.
Each episode has three primary sections. Section 1 is a narrative story. Section 2 goes deeper into the historical facts. Section 3 focuses on contemporary, emotional, and personal connections.
00:29
Story Recap
Doris Duke has finally turned 21 and inherited more than just her fortune. Madeleine Astor faces another round of scandal before wedding #3.
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Title
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Kiss the Bride, Part 2 of 2
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Episode Tag
Wedding bells are ringing for trip down the aisle number three. Only there is not an actual aisle, and not everyone is full of glee. Part 2 of 2
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[Music – Let’s Fall In Love For The Last Time by Mantovani, Albums The Great British Dance Bands & Tea Dance 2]
Section 1 – Story
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Part 2 of 2
When the iceberg struck the Titanic on April 14th, 1912, the disaster left much in its wake. Colonel John Jacob Astor IV, aka “Jack,” put his young wife into lifeboat no. 6 before meeting his fate. The young pregnant Madeleine Talmage Force Astor became a widow and a mother months later. After several years, she gave up her Astor widow’s fortune to marry once again for love.
Other things would take longer.
01:58
It took her nearly 12 years to cross the ocean after surviving the Titanic. On May 29th, 1924, the press awaits for Madeleine to board the Aquitania, where a luxury suite is reserved for her with her son and Titanic baby John Jacob Astor VI, aka “Jakey,” her second husband William Dick, and their young sons William Dick, Jr. and John Henry Dick. Only the family never appears.
02:30
The night before, an understandably anxious Madeleine has terrifying visions of another maritime disaster and refuses to go. However days later Madeleine musters the strength and resolve to finally set out aboard the Berengaria on June 5th, 1924.
The press notes Jakey’s status as one of the richest children at the time. He will suffer his own press attention throughout his life. However distraction occurs when his older half-sister Ava Alice Muriel Astor marries exiled Russian Prince Serge Obolensky thus becoming more of a focus for the press. The bride is given away by Viscount Waldorf Astor – the son of the very same cousin whose feud with Jack and Aunt Caroline Astor resulted in the Waldorf-Astoria hotel and Waldorf is the husband of Nancy Astor. Neither of the bride’s brothers William “Vincent” Astor and Jakey attend their sister’s wedding.
03:30
Madeleine and family’s return trip also aboard the Berengaria is overshadowed by another more famous passenger the Prince of Wales, Prince David – future King Edward VIII – Duke of Windsor arriving in the United States on August 29th, 1924. Stories delight over his dancing on the ship with his own private orchestra and follows his trip to Long Island for polo and fun. Luckily, the Prince takes all the attention, and Madeleine is left to a relatively more quiet existence for a little while. Though she is spotted driving around with a young Jakey in the car.
Madeleine is never completely free of scandal or attention. Only a year later 1925, she survives the Breakers Hotel fire in Florida along with her friend and another Titanic survivor, the Unsinkable Molly Brown.
Oh, how Madeleine misses her dear friend. Molly passed away the year before in October 1932.
04:35
Thursday, November 9th, 1933
At the Doctor’s Hospital in New York, Madeleine recovers from a broken shoulder sustained while in Bermuda with her young lover the fiery boxer Enzo Fiermonte. Daily she receives a package of press clippings.
Astute and press weary, Madeleine has tried hard to avoid more scandal with her latest love. She scours the newspapers to see if her attempts at deflection are successful.
05:04
Somewhat, but with news of her recent divorce and the new much younger lover, Madeleine is once again the topic of headlines. Rumors of their engagement and pending marriage cause a feeding frenzy much like in her first marriage.
She chuckles slightly to herself in their misreporting. Mistruths she wished were the real story. The origin of her new love is hard to pin down.
Somewhat comforted and bound and determined to reunite, she sends word to Enzo and convinces him to marry her in New York after their failed attempt in Bermuda.
Previously, Enzo is prevented from entering Bermuda and New York by Madeleine’s former stepson William “Vincent” Astor. Frustrated by all the delays, Enzo heads to Paris and hopes to revive his boxing career and somehow break free of Madeleine once and for all. Their age difference he 26 and she 40 being the main complication.
Finally, he agrees to return.
06:10
Tuesday, November 14th, 1933
On arrival, Enzo is greeted by Madeleine’s lawyer who lays out terms of their pending marriage. Madeleine will retain the rights to and control of her fortune. She will give Enzo a generous allowance. Enzo denounces needing an allowance then signs over a dozen legal papers with it still included. That afternoon, he visits Madeleine in the hospital.
The day before their nuptials, an older gray haired female friend of Madeleine warns Enzo not to marry as Madeleine is far too domineering and will make any man miserable unless she has her own way.
06:54
Monday, November 27th, 1933
Somehow the press has not been alerted yet to the day’s activities. Enzo heads back into the hospital undeterred by the public and private objections to their marriage.
Late in the afternoon, the sickroom is filled to the brim with flowers and has a champagne buffet on the side. The only one to acknowledge his presence, future mother-in-law Mrs. William Force greets Enzo and warmly kisses him. The other dozen friends and family remain aloof taking only formal notice of his arrival like it was a duty.
07:33
Arriving late, Jakey kisses his mother, shakes Enzo’s hand, then tells a joke which falls flat. As well, her other sons William and John are none too pleased to be there either.
It takes a few minutes for the City Court official to arrange his papers. Deputy city clerk Philip Hines officiates the marriage certificate at the bedside. Municipal City Justice Vincent Lippe performs the official ceremony.
08:03
From her hospital bed, Madeleine marries Enzo.
“For better, for worse,… I do…”
Upon uttering their vows, Enzo looks around the room to see one unsmiling face after another. In his mind, he compares their silence in contrast to the warmer cozier nature of his first Italian wedding.
The court official demands, “Aren’t you going to kiss the bride?”
Suddenly, Enzo snaps back to the reality of American customs. There is no public kissing as part of the marriage ceremony in Italy. He leans over and kisses Madeleine.
The mood instantly shifts to a little more simulated gayety. There are toasts of champagne, but the frigid hostility of those with whom Enzo must now spend his life is not a happy omen.
Madeleine’s cousin Philip Lyndon Dodge is also present and serves as liaison to the press, which has gathered by now. He confirms the marriage and indicates that he does not think Enzo intends to return to the boxing ring.
Due to Madeleine’s wishes for their first night to be together, Enzo agrees to stay in the hospital in another room on the fourth floor.
09:21
The next day photos and headlines ring of the sudden marriage and its circumstances – the broken shoulder, ages of groom 26 and bride 40, plus Madeleine’s Titanic widowhood, and both their Nevada divorces this summer.
Other stories appear. More reactions to the lynching over Brooke Hart’s kidnappers. In a separate incident across the continent, another lynch mob in Maryland faces repercussions. Yet, those stories do not dampen the thirst for scandal.
And once again, criticisms are leveled at Madeleine. How dare she dishonor her gallant first husband Jack Astor who lost his life for her on the Titanic to now marry such a lowly and much younger man. Some are appalled at Enzo’s profession of boxing.
Then there are others, more common folk, who revel in Enzo’s rise in the social hierarchy and state that a fit young man is of course a desirable mate if one could be so lucky.
10:23
Would it be any surprise or more scandalous if the truth really be known – that she met her third husband the same way she lost her first husband on the ocean in a reverse crossing?
Heh, that January 1932 crossing aboard the Vulcania is another fateful trip. One she hopes ends in happily ever after. Always nervous during oceanic travel, her attending personal physician Dr. Moullowd invited the young handsome Enzo Fiermonte to dine with them and distract her for an evening. Enzo became a much larger and longer distraction. The clandestine couple would later return to New York aboard the ocean liner Olympic, the sister ship to the Titanic and the exact same ship Madeleine took with Jack on their way to Europe before the fatal return.
11:21
Now as the papers try to sort out the origin of their love story, some state they met during her Nevada divorce. Others claim that they met on the beach in Lido where Enzo had befriended Jakey during the same spring 1932 trip, then later Enzo became the boxing instructor to her other sons.
Absolutely, Jakey wants no part in this story. He too detests scandal. In fact, he is close to deciding his own future fiancée, and one of the main contenders is the pretty Newport socialite Eileen Gillespie, the daughter of the earlier 1911 young newlywed couple Lawrence and Irene Gillespie mentioned from 1911 during Jack and Madeleine’s courtship and marriage.
12:08
Thursday, November 30, 1933
A “Car National” private car arranged by Jakey pulls up outside Pennsylvania train station. Wincing in pain, Madeleine whispers, “Thank you,” to those attending her.
Inside the station, reporters swarm to get pictures and quotes of the newlyweds heading for their honeymoon.
When one photographer gets too close, Enzo aggressively threatens “to knock the head off” of him.
The ex-boxer defensively warns anyone else attempting to photograph his bride on a stretcher. Madeleine, worried and distraught, is carried into a private railcar aboard the 10:30am train to Palm Beach.
Once she settles in, Enzo returns amicably and ready to pose for a photo.
12:58
As the train heads out, the rocking and rolling sound carries them away. They travel down the coast to arrive around 4:30pm. The private railcar comes with cook, maids, and a steward. Her sons are not with them. However, her private physician now Dr. Watson travels with them as well. The cost of the car is $1000 (a little over $25k in 2026). The price of privacy and deluxe accommodations.
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By that afternoon, they arrive at their honeymoon villa in Palm Beach, the home of some long dead millionaire and feels more like a depressing mausoleum. As Dr. Watson insists Madeleine rest, Enzo attempts to entertain himself swimming in the pool. Slowly he realizes, the life of a goldfish is quite dull.
Others have more exciting travel plans, aviator Charles Lindbergh and wife Anne Morrow Lindbergh are planning their trip back across the Atlantic, potentially leaving Cape Verde Africa for Brazil then head north.
Madeleine’s new marriage buzzes amongst other stories on capital “S” Society activities. Still as one society column notes, few are keeping up with the Vanderbilts or the Mdivanis.
14:23
[Music – There Isn’t Any Limit To My Love by Ambrose, Album It’s Got To Be Love]
Section 2 – History & Historiography
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14:40
Our tale stretches far and wide across many interconnected stories and people. A complex interweaving that highlights the proximity and parallels for multiple people.
This podcast has allowed for a wider examination of the era and those involved. Not having the restriction of images or the expense and complications of a tv series, I can turn on a dime and follow the trails as they pop up and as are needed.
15:06
There has long been in the timeline the mention of Madeleine Force Astor Dick’s marriage to young Italian boxer Enzo Fiermonte. This is a known irritant to one of our primary heirs her son John Jacob Astor VI, aka “Jakey” as he was known to close friends and family. Thus as part of Jakey’s story, this subject was bound to come up.
Early in the development of storylines, Madeleine and Enzo did not get much of my attention. Very little appeared when I first learned of them, only passing mentions but enough to take note of the dynamic. Still I would occasionally try to discover anything relevant as the overall story progresses – as I track multiple people and storylines within the designated period. Nothing surfaces, so nothing further to chase…
Then in August 2023, I heard YouTube Channel Ti’s Hot Mess History on the Titanic and both Jakey and Madeleine episodes. Now, of course, I was entrenched in Jakey’s story, so very little was added there. But in Madeleine’s episode I learned of Enzo writing a series of articles about his marriage. Of course, I had to track them down.
16:23
First attempt, absolutely no luck. As one timeline marker in the podcast had passed their meeting on the Vulcania without a newspaper record nor the finding these magazine articles, I could not devote too much time especially since nothing else seemed to appear in current news stories within the active story timeline. And then quite suddenly so many other things changed in my life, so oh well, tuck the reference in the back of my mind for later.
Time moves forward and lo and behold, finally headlines start popping up – Madeleine gets her divorce and Enzo files for his. Enough items appear, and juicy things that will require far more than a passing mention in the background.
17:18
When I cover Madeleine and Enzo’s trip to Bermuda with the broken shoulder and the family disputes, I now remember that there was a set of articles by Enzo, and I MUST have them. Can’t believe I forgot to track them down over a year later.
In November 2024, I run across two newspapers ads for the articles “Kept Husband” by Enzo Fiermonte in True Story Magazine. Now getting somewhere. I go back to the YouTube video and confirm the title, but I am still missing which months of publication. Still with a magazine title, I scour and flip over any possible finding. It’s hard to determine exactly where they could be available. Sometimes in a library stack, occasionally scanned online, or possibly track down a physical copy. But the question also has to be how many actual articles?
18:24
I check in with a few sources to see if they might have the articles in their collection. The Newport Historical Society has files of individuals with clippings while they are in Newport and not much outside. Luckily, the librarian at the Newport Library was able to help me track down a copy of one issue the first issue with the Vulcania story though through another library – Bowling Green University, and the staff there helped me access the first article though 2 pages were missing information, as prior people had cut out sections.
19:00
This is repeatedly an unfortunate thing. At both University of Texas and UCLA, I would find bound magazine editions with sections removed mostly from students lazily and unscrupulously cutting out the images for their projects, mostly advertising assignments. At University of Chicago, things went missing like the whole article, chapter, or even book often for a different reason – academic sabotage. To keep whatever item’s academic information away from competition.
19:36
The article series by Enzo occurs in True Story Magazine which for several decades covered various real stories not just crime but other popular subjects like the Dionne quintuplets, however the magazine itself was not popular in the realm of academia for there to be extensive collections on hand via university or other library collections. Only very popular and somewhat prestigious magazines like New Yorker, Vogue, and even GQ might have significant volumes available depending on what and how the acquiring librarian deems appropriate. This copy at Bowling Green came from likely a random donation.
20:17
Now I switch gears and tactics. I try Amazon with a false lead on the first issue, Ebay, and the wide internet. My former old magazine reseller Hans Kuper was gone – that was my source during the History Channel days, but I finally lucked out and found an online comic book seller that also dealt with old collectible magazines too. Luckily also in November 2024, I found 4 out of 6 articles in hard copy. Yes, I was able to clarify there are 6 articles in total. Out of these, I’m only missing the fifth and first articles, which the latter is the copy I found at Bowling Green University and still needed those missing pages. Through this seller, I put in a request for the 1st article, which months later in August 2025 it finally pops up filled. With that encouragement, I then searched again for the elusive missing 5th in the series and still nothing. By the end of last year, it was still bothering me, so I randomly check again in January 2026 this year and by luck it was available on Ebay. I swooped in and got it.
21:39
Now having this rare complete set in my possession, I have shared with the select archives. I don’t believe in hiding information but letting it breathe further. For the transcripts, I only withhold footnotes and bibliography for the integrity of episodes (avoid some spoilers) and protect what I worked so hard to pull together. One day I will backtrack that information – and by then I am really hoping there will be an AI program that will help sort it out because it will be an endeavor on its own. Currently, I have collected over 8,200 articles and continuously growing. Can you imagine just formatting that bibliography???
22:26
After the last episode featuring the Titanic, something inside me could not rest over another future fact that will come up later in our story. I needed to dig for it while everything is fresh though it will occur in our story timeline months to a year away. So I found a copy of Shadow of the Titanic by Andrew Wilson, which is referenced in several places and features the tragic lives of survivors. Chapter 3 focuses on Madeleine Astor is featured in Chapter 3, and this is one of the few sources which explores her later life briefly covering husband #2 William Dick before more thoroughly detailing life with Enzo. Though in the footnotes, Enzo’s articles are cited but only the first 3. I didn’t get further on the fact I was hunting there, but I finally found the information in newspapers. A name with an interconnected context for the future. Always more stories to tell…
23:27
Lastly, I want to discuss a little more the attitudes back in the 1930s. As these stories are getting juicier, I began having more questions about the time period and what was considered acceptable or known even if unapproved behaviors. These questions led me to exploring a few films from the era mainly circa 1932 and 1933, just before the heavy-handed enforcement of the Hays Code from 1934 to 1968. That set of regulations strongly prohibited themes especially involving immoral and sexual activity, which were then strangely and euphemistically referenced but not explicitly. Pre-code, things are still more demure than today’s time but a little more upright and frank. Drug use and assorted non-marital sexual relations included.
24:26
Many of the films have our modern problems. Thirteen Women (1932) stars Myrna Loy and the only role of Peg Entwistle, who jumped off the Hollywood sign. That film covers issues like blackmail, affairs, drug use, suicide, and revenge for racial bullying. Later, The Women (1939) stars Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford. Shop girl Joan seduces and steals one rich husband then moves onto another.
Ironically, several films involve heiresses and heirs marrying outside their classes.
25:07
Kept Husbands (1931). The tagline is “Every Inch a Man – Bought Body and Soul by His Wife.” A spoiled heiress marries her father’s heroic employee then demoralizes him by turning him into a socialite. Huhhhh, sounds familiar for some of our heiresses seeking love and husbands.
The Dancing Lady (1933) stars Clark Gable, Joan Crawford, and her future husband Franchot Tone. Franchot is the spoiled heir helping then hindering his working-class fiancée Joan’s dreams of dancing. In supporting roles, Algonquin Table humorist Robert Benchley plays a press critic, the screen debut of Fred Astaire as himself, and playing stage manager Ted Healy and his stagehands the Stooges, as in Larry, Curly, & Moe – yep as in Larry Fine, Jerome “Curly” Howard, and Moe Howard in their first credited appearance.
Ahhh yes, human nature does not change much over the decades, centuries, or even millenia… Which is why our tales with many more twists and turns are ones that are far better and more outrageous than the most outlandish fictions – because these tales are real.
26:40
[Music – In the Mood for Love by Freddy Gardner, Album Elegance]
Section 3 – Contemporary & Personal Relevance
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26:58
Like I said human nature does not change much, and definitely one thing that always catches attention is a tell-all. Whether past or present, we can’t help but to love any extra details to those in the spotlight.
27:17
The recently popular Hulu & FX’s tv series Love Story revisits Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and John F. Kennedy, Jr. through their courtship, marriage, and tragic deaths. A complex and messy love story which overlaps with two other primary relationships – JFK Jr. with actress Daryl Hannah and Carolyn with male model Michael Bergin, who replaced Markie Mark – Mark Walhberg as the second official Calvin Klein underwear model.
Several years after Carolyn’s death in 1999, Michael Bergin published The Other Man: John F. Kennedy Jr., Carolyn Bessette, and Me (2004). The memoir details Carolyn and Michael’s on and off and on relationship and other personal details about the elusive and mysterious Carolyn. Well, on the eve of the tv series and its sensational popularity, the out of print of book became a must have find. Long out of print from only one run, it sold as high as $3k on Ebay. The high demand brought the need for a re-print. Now it is available via Amazon Kindle, and by this summer it will be available in 4
formats.
28:29
By the way, another book on Carolyn and JFK Jr. comes from a familiar author. The bestselling and somewhat problematic biographer C. David Heymann wrote books Poor Little Rich Girl (1983) on Barbara Hutton and American Legacy: The Story of John and Caroline Kennedy (2007). Reminder for Hutton’s story he was accused of both plagiarism plus heavy fabrications like claiming Hutton had private diaries not mentioned anywhere else. Heymann in his later life is deemed questionable on reliability.
Like I said, scandal and tell-alls always sell and grab attention. Our heirs and heiresses always have to watch whom they leave in their wakes.
29:18
AS THE MONEY BURNS is now crossing into our 7th Year!!! Can you believe it? And there are still so many stories left to tell. Have you unraveled one of our greatest mysteries? Little seeds of hints are planted along the way until the very end.
29:37
If you want more Bessette-Kennedy stories, check out Ask Not (2024) by Maureen Callahan, columnist for the Daily Mail, author, and hostess of The Nerve podcast and YouTube Channel. The book covers the Kennedy women and various scandals they endure. Maureen also regularly dishes the Kennedy gossip and scandal on the Nerve giving definitive and clarifying details and helps break the code on the hidden secrets.
The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
https://www.youtube.com/@TheNerveShow
Ask Not by Maureen Callahan 2024
https://www.amazon.com/Ask-Not-Kennedys-Women-Destroyed/dp/0316276170
The Other Man by Michael Bergin will be re-released around June 2026 in print and is immediately available via Kindle.
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-other-man-michael-bergin?variant=45086513659938
https://www.amazon.com/Other-Man-EPB-Kennedy-Bessette-ebook/dp/B0GTF27XM8
Links available in the notes and transcript.
30:18
Eric Braeden whose biggest role is Victor Newman on Young & The Restless also stars in James Cameron’s Titanic as Colonel John Jacob Astor IV. On the YouTube channel Still Here Hollywood Podcast with Steve Kmetko, Braeden discusses casting and the making of Titanic. I am including the links to the short clip as well as the full interview in the notes and transcript.
I walked Out of the Titanic Audition… Eric Braeden | Still Here Hollywood Podcast with Steve Kmetko
6 min clip on Titanic role
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1sV0Zib7E
whole interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNfyWIf_WKE
Once again, I am including links to Ti’s Hot Mess History, because she’s just too good…
Ti’s Hot Mess History, YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/@TisHotMessHistory
Riches to Ruin – Titanic Widow of John Jacob Astor & Her Troubled 3rd Marriage by Ti’s Hot Mess History July 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODY-qiEn3ak
The Scandalous True Story of Titanic’s Wealthiest Passenger – JJ Astor & His Teen Wife by Ti’s Hot Mess History May 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF89xKNWbow&t=25s
The Rich Boy Nobody Wanted: Titanic Baby John Jacob Astor VI by Ti’s Hot Mess History December 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlV8oT6lxs
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31:00
[Music – My Heart Belongs to Daddy by Billy Cotton, Album The Great British Dance Bands]
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Credits
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